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Post by banshee on May 11, 2008 23:57:13 GMT -5
I am friends with Peter Cantu who is on Death Row in Texas. On almost every board some rabid Pro attempted to attack me for this friendship telling me I were hurting the families of the victims with my support and friendship for Peter. But I'm asking you, isn't it my business and only my business who I befriend? It's not like i were telling the victims' families about this friendship, and neither do I owe these people anything. Do I really have to join this coalition of haters against Peter just because some freaks think it's the right thing to do? I say no. So if these people really want to support the families of these two girls then they are free to, I don't have any interest in it.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 12, 2008 10:58:30 GMT -5
I am friends with Peter Cantu who is on Death Row in Texas. On almost every board some rabid Pro attempted to attack me for this friendship telling me I were hurting the families of the victims with my support and friendship for Peter. But I'm asking you, isn't it my business and only my business who I befriend? It's not like i were telling the victims' families about this friendship, and neither do I owe these people anything. Do I really have to join this coalition of haters against Peter just because some freaks think it's the right thing to do? I say no. So if these people really want to support the families of these two girls then they are free to, I don't have any interest in it. Hi Banshee, Nice to see you back again! What freaks told you to join that pro dp board? You don't have to justify writing Peter to anyone! It is no one's business, I agree. Your helping out a person who is alone and lives in isolation. Your looking beyond what most people can't do. I hope you will start to feel good about that and not feel you need the approval of others, especially the idiots you are describing on that board. Take care Banshee.
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Post by banshee on May 12, 2008 23:38:49 GMT -5
I am friends with Peter Cantu who is on Death Row in Texas. On almost every board some rabid Pro attempted to attack me for this friendship telling me I were hurting the families of the victims with my support and friendship for Peter. But I'm asking you, isn't it my business and only my business who I befriend? It's not like i were telling the victims' families about this friendship, and neither do I owe these people anything. Do I really have to join this coalition of haters against Peter just because some freaks think it's the right thing to do? I say no. So if these people really want to support the families of these two girls then they are free to, I don't have any interest in it. Hi Banshee, Nice to see you back again! What freaks told you to join that pro dp board? You don't have to justify writing Peter to anyone! It is no one's business, I agree. Your helping out a person who is alone and lives in isolation. Your looking beyond what most people can't do. I hope you will start to feel good about that and not feel you need the approval of others, especially the idiots you are describing on that board. Take care Banshee. Hi Pumpkinpie. There were a couple of boards where members acted like it was any of their business. Like I had to offer any kind of justification, I feel good about what I am doing because I know I don't owe anyone anything and I like Peter. He is really laid back and a decent human being. I don't have to justify my friendship with him. Not towards some crappie board members or anyone else, not even Jennifer Ertman's and Elizabeth Pena's family. These people should stay out of my business because I am not interested in any of their opinons.
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Post by micky on May 18, 2008 9:18:04 GMT -5
Ý too have a PP on death row Ý would never disclose his name on any forum Ý just refer to hým as J he gets enough hatemail as it is, and Ý am darn sure Ý will never be the cause of anymore pain to him. Whoever we want to write to is nobody elses business hence Ý never disclose his name.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 18, 2008 9:26:38 GMT -5
Ý too have a PP on death row Ý would never disclose his name on any forum Ý just refer to hým as J he gets enough hatemail as it is, and Ý am darn sure Ý will never be the cause of anymore pain to him. Whoever we want to write to is nobody elses business hence Ý never disclose his name. Micky She's fine disclosing his name on here. He's got no access to the internet, and I really don't see how posting his name could cause him pain, and don't believe people actually send DR inmates hate mail. If they do, they really need to get a life.
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Post by banshee on May 18, 2008 11:12:03 GMT -5
Peter doesn't read hate-mail. If someone starts to get ugly in a letter he stops reading and throws the letter out immediately. Peter doesn't deal with hateful human trash.
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Post by micky on May 19, 2008 10:53:25 GMT -5
Ý too have a PP on death row Ý would never disclose his name on any forum Ý just refer to hým as J he gets enough hatemail as it is, and Ý am darn sure Ý will never be the cause of anymore pain to him. Whoever we want to write to is nobody elses business hence Ý never disclose his name. Micky She's fine disclosing his name on here. He's got no access to the internet, and I really don't see how posting his name could cause him pain, and don't believe people actually send DR inmates hate mail. If they do, they really need to get a life. I can honestly say YES my PP on DR sent me 3 to see what I thought, I was disgusted and also very upset, he told me not to worry but hey sometime I cant help but worry. whenever my PPs name is advertised ie; newspapers internet TV thats when the hate mail start again, my pals been on DR for 11 years now and when people see his name they have nothing better to do with there time and start sending again. He dont have internet access but his lawyers sure do.
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Post by pumpkinpie on May 19, 2008 15:02:52 GMT -5
She's fine disclosing his name on here. He's got no access to the internet, and I really don't see how posting his name could cause him pain, and don't believe people actually send DR inmates hate mail. If they do, they really need to get a life. I can honestly say YES my PP on DR sent me 3 to see what I thought, I was disgusted and also very upset, he told me not to worry but hey sometime I cant help but worry. whenever my PPs name is advertised ie; newspapers internet TV thats when the hate mail start again, my pals been on DR for 11 years now and when people see his name they have nothing better to do with there time and start sending again. He dont have internet access but his lawyers sure do. I can't believe people actually waste there stamps to do that. Unreal. It's most disturbing for those who actually do that. Just when ya think you've heard it all there's always more sickos that seize to amaze me.
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Post by briseis on Jun 5, 2008 9:49:12 GMT -5
Banshee,
Pros, in my experience, have no concern for the feelings or emotions of inmates on Death Row, and subsequently their families, friends, penpals ... This is why, I believe it is common for inmates be cut off from their families, and friends they had made prior to being sentenced to death.
I am also a penpal to a DR inmate, and I enjoy the correspondence. As it is noone else's business who I befriend, then I avoid telling people who I write to, as some Pros are in the habit of writing to DR inmates urging them to drop their appeals, and I'd hate for my name to be mentioned in their hate mail to my penpal.
Pros often use the emotions of the victims' families to guilt trip Antis, as they have done with you, so don't take it personally.
It is simply very black and white for them; if a person has been convicted of murder, then they should be put to death, whether the victim had family or friends or not.
For me, it is more complex than that ... it runs a lot deeper ... that, and the sense of social conscience I have that forbids me from wishing anyone dead.
The case with Peter Cantu is very high profile, and I used to write to one of the other men charged with that particular crime. Crimes which have a lot of publicity often are treated as worse than others ... therefore Cantu and the other men charged with that crime are hated beyond measure and a Pro DP Board was actually started up because of it.
So mentioning Cantu's name in Pro DP boards is only going to result in your being on the receiving end of much abuse ... That's the sad reality of the situation.
Kind Regards
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Post by banshee on Jun 5, 2008 21:48:19 GMT -5
Banshee, Pros, in my experience, have no concern for the feelings or emotions of inmates on Death Row, and subsequently their families, friends, penpals ... This is why, I believe it is common for inmates be cut off from their families, and friends they had made prior to being sentenced to death. I am also a penpal to a DR inmate, and I enjoy the correspondence. As it is noone else's business who I befriend, then I avoid telling people who I write to, as some Pros are in the habit of writing to DR inmates urging them to drop their appeals, and I'd hate for my name to be mentioned in their hate mail to my penpal. Pros often use the emotions of the victim's families to guilt trip Antis, as they have done with you, so don't take it personally. It is simply very black and white for them; if a person has been convicted of murder, then they should be put to death, whether the victim had family or friends or not. For me, it is more complex than that ... it runs a lot deeper ... that, and the sense of social conscience I have that forbids me from wishing anyone dead. The case with Peter Cantu is very high profile, and I used to write to one of the other men charged with that particular crime. Crimes which have a lot of publicity often are treated as worse than others ... therefore Cantu and the other men charged with that crime are hated beyond measure and a Pro DP Board was actually started up because of it. So mentioning Cantu's name in Pro DP boards is only going to result in your being on the receiving end of much abuse ... That's the sad reality of the situation. Kind Regards Good post Briseis. I don't care pros trying to guilt trip me, and I don't care for the emotions of victim's families. They all better care their own business as I care mine and don't care theirs. It is nice of you to warn me that I might end up on the receiving end of abuse, but they can't abuse me simply because I don't care. Peter is my friend and there is nothing they could do against it, and that's the way it is.
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Post by banshee on Jun 7, 2008 10:16:09 GMT -5
To everyone who still thinks Peter was a monster. He is not. I know him for years now and I can tell you first hand that he is a loving and caring human being. The real monsters make laws in Texas.
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Post by briseis on Jun 8, 2008 6:38:40 GMT -5
Banshee, I don't think I'd say I don't care for the families of the victims. I do care. Someone has needlessly and sometimes brutally taken the life of someone they loved. And if they hate and wish that person dead then that is understandable surely. Think how you might feel if someone brutally murdered someone you love. The need to avenge their loved one is strong. So I hesitate in criticising the victims' families mostly because I do care, and because their situation is alien to me. However, that still cannot justify the Death Penalty ... It is not a deterrent to murder, it doesn't undo the murder ... and I doubt very strongly that the victims' families feel any less pain and grief simply because the convict has been executed. Not to mention the fact that people change, especially when they are in prison. If they have indeed murdered, they repent, feel guilty, change their ways, and certainly they can do that in the years and years they spend on Death Row before actually being executed. It's much easier to see those on Death Row as 'monsters' and liken them to vicious animals in cages, if you are Pro DP. That way, you don't feel guilty that you are supporting the killing of a fellow human being. Whether these men and women are actually 'monsters' or not is immaterial to them, so you can say Cantu is loving, caring (which I'm sure he is) etc till you're blue in the face, but it won't make a difference to how they feel. Remember that you're dealing with people who would have no hesitation in personally gassing, electrocuting, lethally injecting another human being ... People who my opinion, have stooped to the level of not only a murderer, but a serial murderer, which is horrendous considering most Pro DP activists probably haven't even lost a loved one to murder. It's just a acquired principal, albeit a sick one. Peter Cantu said - "It's your letters that light this world of darkness and brings forth smiles in a place where smiles shouldn't exist. When you reach forth across a vast ocean thousands of miles away, in an effort to bring friendship, you in essence actually pull a man out of the abyss." www.deathrow-usa.us/PeterCantu.htmSo be proud, you're doing a positive thing. It doesn't take a fool to see that bringing smiles and light to a sad and lonely soul makes much more sense than wishing pain, suffering and death on strangers as Pros do. Try not to let them get to you. Who cares what they think of Peter Cantu? Or what anyone thinks except you? Kind Regards
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jun 8, 2008 8:28:23 GMT -5
Banshee, I don't think I'd say I don't care for the families of the victims. I do care. Someone has needlessly and sometimes brutally taken the life of someone they loved. And if they hate and wish that person dead then that is understandable surely. Think how you might feel if someone brutally murdered someone you love. The need to avenge their loved one is strong. So I hesitate in criticising the victims' families mostly because I do care, and because their situation is alien to me. However, that still cannot justify the Death Penalty ... It is not a deterrent to murder, it doesn't undo the murder ... and I doubt very strongly that the victims' families feel any less pain and grief simply because the convict has been executed. Not to mention the fact that people change, especially when they are in prison. If they have indeed murdered, they repent, feel guilty, change their ways, and certainly they can do that in the years and years they spend on Death Row before actually being executed. It's much easier to see those on Death Row as 'monsters' and liken them to vicious animals in cages, if you are Pro DP. That way, you don't feel guilty that you are supporting the killing of a fellow human being. Whether these men and women are actually 'monsters' or not is immaterial to them, so you can say Cantu is loving, caring (which I'm sure he is) etc till you're blue in the face, but it won't make a difference to how they feel. Remember that you're dealing with people who would have no hesitation in personally gassing, electrocuting, lethally injecting another human being ... People who my opinion, have stooped to the level of not only a murderer, but a serial murderer, which is horrendous considering most Pro DP activists probably haven't even lost a loved one to murder. It's just a acquired principal, albeit a sick one. Peter Cantu said - "It's your letters that light this world of darkness and brings forth smiles in a place where smiles shouldn't exist. When you reach forth across a vast ocean thousands of miles away, in an effort to bring friendship, you in essence actually pull a man out of the abyss." www.deathrow-usa.us/PeterCantu.htmSo be proud, you're doing a positive thing. It doesn't take a fool to see that bringing smiles and light to a sad and lonely soul makes much more sense than wishing pain, suffering and death on strangers as Pros do. Try not to let them get to you. Who cares what they think of Peter Cantu? Or what anyone thinks except you? Kind Regards Hi Briseis, I agree with everything you just said here. That was the "nicest" and best worded post I've read in awhile. You said it all, and you said it best. Thanks.
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Post by banshee on Jun 8, 2008 10:45:29 GMT -5
Banshee, I don't think I'd say I don't care for the families of the victims. I do care. Someone has needlessly and sometimes brutally taken the life of someone they loved. And if they hate and wish that person dead then that is understandable surely. Think how you might feel if someone brutally murdered someone you love. The need to avenge their loved one is strong. So I hesitate in criticising the victims' families mostly because I do care, and because their situation is alien to me. However, that still cannot justify the Death Penalty ... It is not a deterrent to murder, it doesn't undo the murder ... and I doubt very strongly that the victims' families feel any less pain and grief simply because the convict has been executed. Not to mention the fact that people change, especially when they are in prison. If they have indeed murdered, they repent, feel guilty, change their ways, and certainly they can do that in the years and years they spend on Death Row before actually being executed. It's much easier to see those on Death Row as 'monsters' and liken them to vicious animals in cages, if you are Pro DP. That way, you don't feel guilty that you are supporting the killing of a fellow human being. Whether these men and women are actually 'monsters' or not is immaterial to them, so you can say Cantu is loving, caring (which I'm sure he is) etc till you're blue in the face, but it won't make a difference to how they feel. Remember that you're dealing with people who would have no hesitation in personally gassing, electrocuting, lethally injecting another human being ... People who my opinion, have stooped to the level of not only a murderer, but a serial murderer, which is horrendous considering most Pro DP activists probably haven't even lost a loved one to murder. It's just a acquired principal, albeit a sick one. Peter Cantu said - "It's your letters that light this world of darkness and brings forth smiles in a place where smiles shouldn't exist. When you reach forth across a vast ocean thousands of miles away, in an effort to bring friendship, you in essence actually pull a man out of the abyss." www.deathrow-usa.us/PeterCantu.htmSo be proud, you're doing a positive thing. It doesn't take a fool to see that bringing smiles and light to a sad and lonely soul makes much more sense than wishing pain, suffering and death on strangers as Pros do. Try not to let them get to you. Who cares what they think of Peter Cantu? Or what anyone thinks except you? Kind Regards Thank you for your kind and touching words Briseis. I can feel how truly heartfelt they are. Pumpkinpie is right, your post is fantastic. Nevertheless I feel nothing but contempt for Mr. Pena and Mr.Ertman in particular who is one of the most evil and disgusting people I have ever heard of. Not even the devil could feel for Ertman, what a nasty piece of work this man is. Just read his statements and then tell me again I should feel anything for this man. Peter is a good person and a dear friend and all Ertmans in this world can't change my heart felt friendship for him. Peter and I will remain close friends until the day Texas murders him. Sincerely D.
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Post by briseis on Jun 8, 2008 12:51:21 GMT -5
Pumpkinpie, Thanks! Banshee, because I used to write to one of the men convicted of the Pena/Ertman murders, I did study the case, and my penpal had no hesitation in discussing it with me. And yes, I have read many of Mr Ertman's statements and comments and most of them are very strong. I can understand why you feel this way. I do believe Jose Medellin is scheduled to be executed on 5th August, and Ertman stated that he's looking forward to watching him die ... so yes, I can see why you feel that way about him. This is just one of those things that us penpals have to deal with which we knew from the day we sent a letter to a convict. That they are hated beyond measure by most, that we will be criticised and condemned for befriending them, and worst of all, that the time will probably come when our friends will be executed. It's a sick world. Keep your chin up with Cantu's case. Perez and Villarreal are now serving LWOP due to a technicality, which was granted only days before they were due to be executed. So you never know. Kind Regards
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