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Post by wildep on May 22, 2009 16:21:15 GMT -5
Since 1987 when the motion was debated in the House, major advancements have been made in the field of forensic sciences. This gain illustrates a shortcoming in the way our criminal code is worded. If properly revised, I'm sure a new bill re-introducing capital punishment which is structured to meet criteria established by the scientific community would be accepted by Canadian society. Currently, being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is sufficient for a conviction in Canada. An additional subsection to that which might read 'in the presence of irrefutable evidence', could be the prerequisite for a finding of guilt to which a death sentence might be handed down. Such cases of certain guilt are not uncommon, and even in the face of the murder of a child or police officer, your organization seems to be against revisiting the issue in a referendum.
In 1987, I was 16 years old. Not old enough to vote. I would suspect that many, like myself of my demographic have had it with the murderers of children being treated like decent human beings. Emily Stauffer, 14 years old, Edson, Alberta: murdered while walking home. Once the trial is over, it's likely we'll see a situation where the accused has 'irrefutable evidence' against him. If true, this is a case for the death penalty, and I believe you'd be hard pressed to find a barely visible minority opposed to it. Most recently, Torie Stafford in Ontarion, 8 years old. Murdered after leaving school. Same thing.
You should know that the level of tolerance for advocating the rights of the perpetrators of these crimes is waning. I sincerely hope there is a silent majority who think like I do: in the right circumstances, people need to die for their crimes. Sleep well with the knowledge you made a death row inmate feel better today. Then call the parents of Emily and Torie.
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Post by sdl on May 25, 2009 9:58:45 GMT -5
My father was a Holocaust survivor. You would think he'd be pro-DP.
He wasn't.
He felt the DP bought us down to the level of the Nazis.
The DP is racist and Fascist.
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Post by happyhaddock on May 25, 2009 10:34:38 GMT -5
One major problem is that the proceedings are conducted by and for lawyers. I have seen nothing which convinces me that lawyers are, in general, any smarter than the general public and this is a standard so low as to make any death sentence for any crime unreliable. And then there are the cops. I suggest you read this (LINK).
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Post by wildep on May 25, 2009 10:49:56 GMT -5
The fact that your dad was a holocaust survivor is commendable. Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with this issue in Canada. I don't understand where the comments come from that the DP is racist and fascist. What makes it racist, the fact that more visble minorities commit murder? That's irrelevant, as one group, either white, black, orange or pink will by default claim that title. How can it be fascist when the majority of a population supports it? You have to do better than that.
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Post by wildep on May 25, 2009 11:01:25 GMT -5
Lawyers don't decide cases, judges do. The link was interesting, however the types of cases mentioned in it wouldn't stand up to the prerequisite I mentioned in my original post. I acknowledge the fact that there have been wrongful convictions of murder. In Canada, being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is sufficient for a conviction. I'm suggesting re-writing the criminal code to allow for a finding of guilt one step beyond 'reasonable doubt'. It's in these certain cases of guilt that I'm wanting the death penalty brought back and enforced. I'm convinced that there are cases for it.
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Post by biglinmarshall on Jun 18, 2009 19:58:19 GMT -5
My uncle was a porajmos survivor (he was a gypsy like me and he lost his parents, brother and sister in Auschwitz.)
He supported the death penalty just as I do.
The racist and fascist argument is just silly.
Were the Israelis being racist when they executed Eichmann?
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Post by happyhaddock on Jun 20, 2009 11:31:22 GMT -5
Israel committed an extraordinary number of crimes in order to capture Eichmann. They murdered him because he murdered Jews.
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Post by biglinmarshall on Jun 22, 2009 18:21:57 GMT -5
No, haddock, Israel did NOT murder Eichmann. He had a fair trial and was executed after due process of law.
As someone who lost family thanks to this monster's actions, I firmly believe that justice was done.
My uncle barely escaped with his life from Auschwitz and his parents, brothers and sisters were murdered just because we were gypsies.
What happened to Eichmann was NOT murder. It was justice after a fair trial which he NEVER gave to his victims!
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Post by happyhaddock on Jun 24, 2009 8:54:00 GMT -5
It was revenge. Eichmann was not lawfully extradited.
It was deserved, but the prosecution cannot be lawful when the processes were not.
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Post by sdl on Jul 11, 2009 7:10:25 GMT -5
My uncle was a porajmos survivor (he was a gypsy like me and he lost his parents, brother and sister in Auschwitz.) He supported the death penalty just as I do. The racist and fascist argument is just silly. Were the Israelis being racist when they executed Eichmann? My father was also a Holocaust survivor. He opposed the death penalty. He felt it brought us down to the level of the Nazis. If anything, the execution of Eichmann made him a martyr to the fascist cause.
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Post by nayasnana on Jul 15, 2009 2:00:28 GMT -5
I am pro DP and always will be. I find it annoying that people want mercy and compassion for those who have senselessly taken the life of an innocent person. Did they show mercy when they raped, tortured, maimed or killed that innocent victim? Probably not, so I don't understand and I cannot have compassion for anyone who has done so. While I understand there have been innocent people put to death, I also believe the DP is a deterrant in committing another murder. This person who has been put to death will NEVER kill again. If there is DNA to prove that this person committed the crime, then I feel, "why waste the taxpayers money" giving them appeals and such. They should be given time to plead their case, apologize to the family of the victim, if they dare, and then straight to the injection room. I know this may sound cold to a lot of people but, then so is taking the life of an innocent person.
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Post by happyhaddock on Jul 16, 2009 0:23:40 GMT -5
Why don't we put you in charge of raping all rapists? Then you could work your way up to murder.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jul 16, 2009 15:17:19 GMT -5
I am pro DP and always will be. I find it annoying that people want mercy and compassion for those who have senselessly taken the life of an innocent person. Did they show mercy when they raped, tortured, maimed or killed that innocent victim? Probably not, so I don't understand and I cannot have compassion for anyone who has done so. While I understand there have been innocent people put to death, I also believe the DP is a deterrant in committing another murder. This person who has been put to death will NEVER kill again. If there is DNA to prove that this person committed the crime, then I feel, "why waste the taxpayers money" giving them appeals and such. They should be given time to plead their case, apologize to the family of the victim, if they dare, and then straight to the injection room. I know this may sound cold to a lot of people but, then so is taking the life of an innocent person. For me, it isn't about having mercy and compassion, but another form of punishment, which isn't death, but life without parole.
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Post by nayasnana on Jul 17, 2009 14:27:40 GMT -5
I feel that it's unfair to allow them to live whether it be in prison or not. Why should they be allowed to continue to have "3 hots and a cot" when their victims and the victims families have nothing to look forward to? I have issues with my hard earned tax money paying to feed, cloth and shelter them. They had their chance at life and CHOSE not to be a productive citizen but, a murderer. I do understand there are different "levels" of murder but, for those who murder someone in cold blood, for their personal items, or because they were strung out on drugs...Dp is appropriate. I also believe with all my soul that ANYONE who harms a child in any fashion should not even be permitted a trial. Children are innocent victims in this world and when an adult takes their life, their life should be taken as well. If at all possible, their life should be taken the same way they took that child's life. Just my humble opinion of course
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Post by pumpkinpie on Jul 17, 2009 16:58:28 GMT -5
I feel that it's unfair to allow them to live whether it be in prison or not. Why should they be allowed to continue to have "3 hots and a cot" when their victims and the victims families have nothing to look forward to? I have issues with my hard earned tax money paying to feed, cloth and shelter them. They had their chance at life and CHOSE not to be a productive citizen but, a murderer. I do understand there are different "levels" of murder but, for those who murder someone in cold blood, for their personal items, or because they were strung out on drugs...Dp is appropriate. I also believe with all my soul that ANYONE who harms a child in any fashion should not even be permitted a trial. Children are innocent victims in this world and when an adult takes their life, their life should be taken as well. If at all possible, their life should be taken the same way they took that child's life. Just my humble opinion of course Child predators are the ones that piss me off most too. Still, they have to have a trial to make sure they have the right guy! Even afterwards, as much as they deserve that all instant torture for ruthlessly harming a child, the execution process takes decades! So, it's pointless.... It doesn't bring the victim back in any case. It doesn't bring any real closure to the family in the cases I've read about, it usually just brings about more memories and death and makes everyone involved feel worse. You have to remember, although you believe the murderer has lost his right to live, he still may have a family who cares and may suffer when he's gone.
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