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Post by justice on Mar 21, 2008 19:36:11 GMT -5
What is up with this Robert Pickton character. How can some one like this not pay with his life. As far as I'm concerned this guy should be feed to his own pigs. I take it Canada don't have the death penalty. I find that very disturbing. If anyone ever deserved the death penalty it's this guy. But no instead he gets his 3 meals a day. Library, exercise, probably computer access T.V. a radio if he likes god knows what else. Lets not forget he will probably have access to drugs, sex (though by other male inmates). Sounds like a real tough life. Yet God knows how many more innocent victims are left on his pig farm. Execute for God sakes. Here is a question for anyone who has an answer. Was Clifford Olson executed or is he still alive. Oh and what about Paul Bernardo. Perfect candidates for the death penalty.
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Post by justice on Mar 21, 2008 19:52:33 GMT -5
I also love how the U.S has the most crime in the whole world. Yet everyone complains that we are to hard on criminals. Come on guys! Everyone in prison is innocent, just ask them. I understand there have been a few cases where innocent people have been falsely convicted but for the most part they get it right. Don't fall for the I'm innocent bull all the time.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Mar 21, 2008 21:25:31 GMT -5
Pumpkinpie: Serial killers are not the only ones that harm other inmates. In fact it's them least of all. Let's say I'm serving life in prison o.k. I killed a man and his child during a robbery. I'm now sentenced to life in prison. At this point there is absolutely nothing else they can do to me. I am free within the confounds off the prison to do what ever I please. I want to rape the new guy fine. Someone pisses me off and I want to take them out fine. What else can they do. Nothing. There has to be a limit where enough is enough. More crimes are committed in prison by one time killers and gang bangers than by serial killers. And there is no shortage of crime in prison. I think we can all agree on that. I for one would rather be dead than spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder every single day. I only used serial killers as an example because you were saying they should be executed because they could hurt other inmates. I was giving reasons why they shouldn't be executed.
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Post by justice on Mar 21, 2008 21:30:03 GMT -5
You say it's true then, that once the life in prison sentence is issued and thats all their is. Then you have nothing else to lose and you can do whatever you want
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Post by pumpkinpie on Mar 21, 2008 21:55:31 GMT -5
You say it's true then, that once the life in prison sentence is issued and thats all their is. Then you have nothing else to lose and you can do whatever you want I don't know what frame of mind those who abuse in prisons have. All I know is security should be tightened so abuse is stopped. Inmates do lose privledges for bad behavior.
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Post by justice on Mar 21, 2008 22:08:36 GMT -5
I do not believe murderers should have privileges
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Post by janet on Mar 22, 2008 12:13:58 GMT -5
Robert Pickton was convicted of six counts of murder in the second degree and sentenced to twnety five years in prison, with no possibility for parole for twenty five years. There is currently insufficient evidence to charge him with more of the murders of prostitutes in the Vancouver area. Clifford Olsen is still alive and has been declared a 'Dangerous Offender', meaning that he has only the 'faint clause' for parole. He has been consistently denied parole as are most within this designation. Paul Bernardo bears the same status as Clifford Olsen.
Canada does not have the death penalty.
Justice, for anyone who believes that state santioned murder is acceptable, I respecfully ask if that would bring back any of the victims of these horrendous crimes? It would, again, simply be vengeance wrought by the blood thirsty in society.
Life in prison doesn't include privileges as we think of them. Cameras monitor these people twenty four hours a day. They remain isolated from other prisoners, under the most extreme security. Yes, there is television, radios, and material for corresponding. Exercise is solitary while under guard. As for sexual relations and drugs, in the prison 'pecking order', the lives of these prisoners are totally solitary for security reasons, i.e., protection from other prisoners.
Of course, everyone in prison isn't innocent. We know it and it really is an insult to anyone's intelligence to believe otherwise. Most are guilty.
I completely lack the ability to comprehend why some feel the need to spill more blood when it is of absolutely no benefit to a civilized, evolving society and standards of human decency. Those who purport the death penalty are simply savages. It seems fitting that those who enjoy the spectacle of death visit 'Chop-Chop Square' on Fridays in Saudi Arabia. At least it keeps things honest!
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Post by justice on Mar 22, 2008 17:13:28 GMT -5
Janet: You see it as vengeance I see it as justice. I don't want to get in a pissing contest about who is right and who is wrong. There are some people in this world that are so evil and so cruel, that I find it completely irresponsible to allow them to live. How many predators get paroled then turn around and do the same thing again. Clifford Olson had 83 convictions in 24 years. 83. Including 7 escapes. He repeatedly sexually attacked a 17 year old inmate. He was already on bail for sex charges when he assaulted a seven year old girl. I am not going to go into all the stuff this guy did. This man raped and killed 11 kids. I hate people that harm children. I have been in prison myself for hospitalizing a man that touched one of my daughters inappropriately in a movie theater. If you want to defend the evil and sick at heart fine. I am on the side of the good guys and the helpless children. The world is a better place without these kind of people in it. Why even give them a chance to escape or get out so they can hurt or kill someone else. If you execute these truly evil people then the victims and their families will truly 100% know that the perpetrator can never get to them again. I wish that no one had to be executed. I also wish that some people were not so evil. The reality is that they are and execution is appropriate for those certain cases. I will not give any names but come to find out the man that that did this to my daughter had already had 2 convictions for sexual crimes on minors for 2 convictions he served a maximum of 3 years before getting out on parole. Guess what he is out again already. I wonder how long before he does it again. Will it lead to murder on of these days. I will not defend these people. They deserve what they get. Just so you don't think this is a revenge situation I believed in the death penalty way before this happened.
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Post by pumpkinpie on Mar 23, 2008 9:02:28 GMT -5
Life in prison doesn't include privileges as we think of them. Cameras monitor these people twenty four hours a day. They remain isolated from other prisoners, under the most extreme security. Yes, there is television, radios, and material for corresponding. Exercise is solitary while under guard. Exactly! Very well said. Nothing that we would consider a privilege. I consider seeing the stars a privilege, but prisoners have lost that right. Along with the enjoyment of being in a car on a warm day with the window rolled down and hair blowing in the wind.
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Post by happyhaddock on Mar 23, 2008 11:32:58 GMT -5
I also love how the U.S has the most crime in the whole world. Yet everyone complains that we are to hard on criminals. Come on guys! Everyone in prison is innocent, just ask them. I understand there have been a few cases where innocent people have been falsely convicted but for the most part they get it right. Don't fall for the I'm innocent bull all the time. You seem to have confused cause and effect. Does it not occur to you that the reason the U.S has the most crime in the whole world is that it has a violent and corrupt 'system', where the rich avoid punishment but the poor are punished even when innocent? That is a perversion of the meaning of the word 'justice'. Your desire for revenge comes out over and over in your posts. Why don't I see a desire for justice?
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Post by happyhaddock on Mar 23, 2008 21:38:15 GMT -5
I do not believe murderers should have privileges No Bitterness After Wrongly Imprisoned By DAISY NGUYENLOS ANGELES (AP) - For more than two decades behind bars, Willie Earl Green worked hard on his education, married his pen pal and never stopped trying to prove he was innocent in the execution-style murder of a single mother. The sole prosecution witness came forward four years ago, saying he wasn't sure he had identified the right man. Last week, a judge tossed out Green's conviction. Even though he spent nearly half of his life in prison, the 56-year-old, soft-spoken man is at peace with himself. "I was wrongly accused, I'm out now, I'm not bitter, I'm happy. This is the best thing that ever happened to me right here," Green said as he left the courthouse. Green, a former chauffeur from Canton, Miss., said he was proud of his achievements in prison, including earning an associates degree and teaching math to fellow inmates at San Quentin. "I'm a better man today," Green said upon his release on Thursday. "I graduated from college. I'm proud of that accomplishment. I teach school. I teach men that a whole lot of people gave up on." He said he looks forward to spending time with his wife, Mary, and take care of her as she battles breast cancer. They married in 1991. "Today, the honeymoon begins," Mary Green declared. When asked whether the criminal justice system failed him, Green replied: "The same system that put me in jail is the same system that got me out." Willie Finley, a convicted murderer and drug dealer, said he had been high on crack at the time of the killing and did not get a good look at the assailant because his eyes were impaired from a pistol whip. He also said a detective coached him to identify Green in a photo lineup. Last week, Superior Court Judge Stephen A. Marcus found that Green did not receive a fair trial because jurors never heard Finley's full story, which probably would have swayed them when they were evaluating the witness' credibility.The judge threw out Green's conviction in the 1983 murder of Denise "Dee Dee" Walker, 25, in a South Los Angeles crack house. The Los Angeles County district attorney's office said Wednesday it would not oppose his release. Green had been sentenced to 33 years to life in prison and served nearly 25 years behind bars.
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Post by justice on Mar 24, 2008 1:41:14 GMT -5
Happy: Your example is a one in a thousand. Or better yet, a one in one hundred thousand situation. I just love that prisoners get TV and computer and radio and magazines and letters and 3 meals a day and visitors and phone calls and access to the weights. That one I really love that way when the get out thy are all buffed out. Then when they want to re offend they can really hurt someone. Let me tell ya, with all the privileges they get prison don't sound half bad huh. The only thing they don't have to do is have a real job and support a family. I also love how the really sick ones get fan mail. Try to figure that one out.
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Post by justice on Mar 24, 2008 1:55:58 GMT -5
To say that someone gets convicted just because they are poor is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life
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Post by pumpkinpie on Mar 24, 2008 8:55:45 GMT -5
To say that someone gets convicted just because they are poor is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life It's true.... The poor CANNOT afford good defense attorneys.
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Post by janet on Mar 24, 2008 15:57:37 GMT -5
justice, I really don't wish to engage you in, as you put it, a 'pissing contest'.
There are facts that each of must acknowledge. the prisoners who receive the privileges you mention are surely not the ones with whom I'm familiar. Being locked in a small cell twenty three hours a day with absolutely no control over even the smallest things in life is torture. In terms of radios, televisons, and magazines, these men and woman are dependent upon family members and friends to place money in commissary accounts to provide them! Computer access is not permitted. Those prisoners in certain states are unable to obtain typewriters for work they may do pro se. Telephone calls are limited and monitored. The list goes on ad infinitum. In fact, in one particular southern prison, prisoners are permitted to flush the toilet once per hour! Prisoners on death row are not permitted the most menial jobs to earn money. Thus, self-respect is lost by the necessity of depending on other people.
As for the poor and legal representation, it is virtually non-existent. The poor cannot afford good defense attorneys, as was stated. They receive court appointed attorneys who are overworked, underpaid, and often woefully inadequate. The only 'good attorneys' they may have are those who are persuaded to take a particular case pro bono. The preponderance of those imprisoned are poor, uneducated, and, oftentimes, have backgrounds that contribute directly to antisocial behavior. That's why they are in prison.
As for 'fan mail', yes, it does happen. I am absolutely loathe to understand why other than it may be voyeurism, represent a 'walk on the wild side', something that is less than healthy psychologically. Many of us do write prisoners, however, the bulk of us do it from a sense of humanity and it offers friendship and support ... not fans!
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