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Post by kat2 on Mar 10, 2006 17:07:28 GMT -5
Personally I don't care either way if pros come here, I just wanted to clarify that not all anti's feel undying sympathy and whatnot for people on death row. I don't really feel any sympathy, because a lot of them are horrible horrible people, I just disagree so strongly with putting a human being to death. Killing to teach that killing is wrong makes no sense.
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Post by sclcookie on Mar 11, 2006 3:49:39 GMT -5
Personally I don't care either way if pros come here, I just wanted to clarify that not all anti's feel undying sympathy and whatnot for people on death row. I don't really feel any sympathy, because a lot of them are horrible horrible people, I just disagree so strongly with putting a human being to death. Killing to teach that killing is wrong makes no sense. kat2 are you still sitting on the fence: ccadp.proboards40.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=debate&thread=1134862459&page=1I'm looking for families/friends of death row inmates opinions on this matter. Those who write inmates. I'm not looking for reasons why people are against the death penalty. We have feeling for these inmates. We love them. They are our families. They are our friends. We are looking for support. So, actually, kat2, you bring up another issue.....what about anti's who don't give a rats ass about the inmate.....what about them....should the be able to come in here an put us down for caring for the inmates, our brothers and sisters on death row?
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Post by abiraballari on Mar 12, 2006 21:51:11 GMT -5
Personally, I can't see anything positive from allowing pros coming in here. 99.9 % of the experiences I have had with pros in this forum have been or ended up negative. I did try going over to the Pros board and they use alot of foul language (at least one person does) and are just basically rude. It really is pathetic.....I wish it were otherwise but it isn't so....
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Post by kat2 on Mar 13, 2006 11:54:36 GMT -5
I am not a fence sitter any more. The more that I have read on this board and the other the more anti I become. But, I also never said that I had anything against people who care about the inmates, and I don't feel that I have ever put ANYONE down for that.
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Post by skyloom on Mar 13, 2006 13:22:28 GMT -5
Anyway, please, more in put from other anti's. hugggz, Suzanne I say no. I mean what's the point?? People who want to read here as guests are able to do so, so the message is still getting out there without having to put up with attacks from pro-dp people who just want to cause trouble. The energy put in to dealing with the trouble makers that come here could be better spent elsewhere, imo, like writing a letter of support to a DR inmate or a judge or polititian. I consider arguing with the pro-dp people who come here to be a complete waste of time. People make up their minds in their own good time, and sometimes engaging them in argument only makes them dig their heels in further. Somebody here mentioned Dio's name. You know what, Dio was FOR the execution of Tookie Williams. I only know him from his posts on that specific case... but it made me sick. I personally don't want to deal with those people. I'm sick of it. They all remind me of Bush. I've thought that pros ought to be allowed to speak their piece, but of late I've changed my mind. I don't see how anyone is going to know for sure that someone is a pro when s/he registers, though, so you can't really do much until they start making obnoxious remarks That's the only problem I see. There seem to be so few pros who are capable of respecting the rules and so many of them who just come here to bash. I don't know the actual ratio, but that's how it seems. If that's the case, then whatever benefit there is in permitting some pros to post is cancelled out by the many pros who can't control themselves. I agree that pros are a waste of energy that could be better used doing something positive. There's more than enough information to be shared as we work together to try to end the death penalty in the U.S. Let's do that, and ignore the pros.
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Post by skyloom on Mar 13, 2006 13:31:34 GMT -5
So, actually, kat2, you bring up another issue.....what about anti's who don't give a rats ass about the inmate.....what about them....should the be able to come in here an put us down for caring for the inmates, our brothers and sisters on death row? Cookie, I don't write to any death row inmates and choose not to for my own reasons. Some day, I might, but I'm not ready to do that right now. At the same time, I admire those who do have what it takes to write to someone on death row. Whether it's a family member or an acquaintance or a total stranger, you deserve much credit for caring and for not abandoning the very people that most folks find hard or impossible to love. I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I'm an anti who isn't as personally involved with an inmate as some are, I do give enough of a rat's behind to not want to see them executed and I am involved (locally) with others who also oppose capital punishment.
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Post by sclcookie on Mar 14, 2006 1:11:09 GMT -5
So, actually, kat2, you bring up another issue.....what about anti's who don't give a rats ass about the inmate.....what about them....should the be able to come in here an put us down for caring for the inmates, our brothers and sisters on death row? Cookie, I don't write to any death row inmates and choose not to for my own reasons. Some day, I might, but I'm not ready to do that right now. At the same time, I admire those who do have what it takes to write to someone on death row. Whether it's a family member or an acquaintance or a total stranger, you deserve much credit for caring and for not abandoning the very people that most folks find hard or impossible to love. I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I'm an anti who isn't as personally involved with an inmate as some are, I do give enough of a rat's behind to not want to see them executed and I am involved (locally) with others who also oppose capital punishment. Don't admire me too much for writing inmates. Ever since Rich was executed and than Robert, I've distances myself a great deal. I'm still doing the Uncensored of course and helping the inmates, but like I've said, from a distance. I guess I'm scared to get that close to any death row inmates. hugggz, Suzanne
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Post by nessynou on Mar 14, 2006 5:35:28 GMT -5
Personally I don't care either way if pros come here, I just wanted to clarify that not all anti's feel undying sympathy and whatnot for people on death row. I don't really feel any sympathy, because a lot of them are horrible horrible people, I just disagree so strongly with putting a human being to death. Killing to teach that killing is wrong makes no sense. kat2 are you still sitting on the fence: ccadp.proboards40.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=debate&thread=1134862459&page=1I'm looking for families/friends of death row inmates opinions on this matter. Those who write inmates. I'm not looking for reasons why people are against the death penalty. We have feeling for these inmates. We love them. They are our families. They are our friends. We are looking for support. So, actually, kat2, you bring up another issue.....what about anti's who don't give a rats ass about the inmate.....what about them....should the be able to come in here an put us down for caring for the inmates, our brothers and sisters on death row? Cookie, I write to a few inmates and care very deeply for them. Sometimes I find it really hard to read some of the things that are written,although I think that I am getting a thicker skin about it. As skyloom has stated I think there is going to be a bit of difficulty trying to figure out who is a going to write horrible comments and who isnt going to write horrible comments until they actually start posting. If there was a way that family members and friends of inmates dont have to view alot of the comments that are made, then I think that it would be alot better. Although I am unsure as to how that would be possible. Just my thoughts. Nessynou
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Post by skyloom on Mar 14, 2006 10:41:13 GMT -5
Don't admire me too much for writing inmates. Ever since Rich was executed and than Robert, I've distances myself a great deal. I'm still doing the Uncensored of course and helping the inmates, but like I've said, from a distance. I guess I'm scared to get that close to any death row inmates. hugggz, Suzanne I'm scared also, Cookie. I don't think I could handle an execution at all. Even if I found that I didn't really like the person, I would not be able to handle an execution. So, I'm glad that there are some folks out there who can and do volunteer for what I believe is a difficult work but a just and good one. I hope that each of us can contribute the talents we have without being discouraged about the talents we have not. Everyone has something to contribute. I also hope that time will heal some of your sorrows and that you will continue to advocate for the powerless among us wherever you see them and in whatever way you feel you can. Meanwhile... the Bible tells us that even God needed to have a day of rest.
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Post by moghirl on Mar 23, 2006 15:34:22 GMT -5
deleted...disrespectful to this mod.
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Post by hotnosh on Mar 23, 2006 16:11:07 GMT -5
Since the number of active contributors as a percentage of the total membership is so low, I think you are in good company, Moghirl. Pros have a lot of sites they can contribute to, so they dont need to come here. Those that do keep it active. If the mods do a critique of what you have here now, it is an underperforming site because it doesnt send the right vibes to those with a lot to say. That is why I am an infrequent visitor.
The number of non contributing members and lurking guests disturbs me.
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Post by judywaits4u on Mar 24, 2006 14:33:48 GMT -5
Deleted.....No personal attacks to this mod or anyone else for that matter.
Suzanne
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Post by skyloom on Mar 25, 2006 22:14:50 GMT -5
Since the number of active contributors as a percentage of the total membership is so low, I think you are in good company, Moghirl. Pros have a lot of sites they can contribute to, so they dont need to come here. Those that do keep it active. If the mods do a critique of what you have here now, it is an underperforming site because it doesnt send the right vibes to those with a lot to say. That is why I am an infrequent visitor. The number of non contributing members and lurking guests disturbs me. I think you have a good point. Pros certainly do draw out a lot of posts! It's also hard to keep things going when we all pretty much agree with one another. "Me, too!" repeated ten times doesn't make for much excitement, does it? Maybe instead of talking about the pros we need to talk about ourselves... like what we are doing, what problems we are facing, what seems to be working well... in order to share ideas and get support from other folks who are anti. Or maybe something else. OK, I have a question. Which I will ask in a new thread about moratoriums.
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Post by hotnosh on Mar 29, 2006 11:16:00 GMT -5
Skyloom.....Ive made the same point more than once on one of the pro boards, when they have discussed removing antis. As with this site, they have a choice. They can have a lovefest between the like-minded or open it out into a worthwhile discussion embracing all those with something worth saying.
The former is a recipe for instant boredom and the latter requires assiduous moderation because as I know all too well, there are always some ready to push back the barriers of decency.
I cant help feeling this site has reached the stage where its moderators need to make a conscious decision which way they are going.
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Post by jay on Mar 29, 2006 11:36:02 GMT -5
Hi Suzanne, if you don't mind me saying, I think this thread may prove that actually, there is no reason to ban pros. I notice you have deleted the comments of 2 antis, so surely the problem of a moderator perceiving something to be abusive etc etc, really come down to that mod and the 'other' person, be they pro or anti.
I agree with you too hotnosh and Skyloom, that without some discussion, the site may die and beome dull.
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