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Post by distel on Nov 2, 2005 14:13:38 GMT -5
I think the appeals are necessary to show that DP can be applied in a civilized way.. some civilization sprinkled over barbarian customs..
but *sarcasm* you're right.. it would be more honest to stop sprinkling civilization over it.. to show the world the real face of DP. why not go back to the time when in Europe you would throw a suspect into a river with bound hands and feet... if he would drown, he was innocent, but if he doesn't, he must be guilty, because the devil himself helped him swim..
Because all human beings are subject to changes, to think that a murderer can never change would be inhumane. To think that this murderer is no longer a human being, is inhumane. I'm sorry but I don't know in what cases exactly a murderer may appeal to the court again. But I think that more than just "did you murder" should be considered. I think that if a person who has killed is showing that he/she is changing his life and wants to be a better person it should be possible to commute a death sentence.
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 14:21:22 GMT -5
Ok so the guy kills your family then says hey I'm a nice guy now....sure he changed its fine to forget the crime afterall it was just your innocent family he killed and HE DID CHANGE!....Right? dio
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 15:43:15 GMT -5
I resemble that remark....LOL...but don't worry miss_sperminatress...if your family is ever the victim of one of your heroes I shall gladly support his prompt execution....Just for you dio
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Post by paleone on Nov 2, 2005 18:27:43 GMT -5
FBI Report Reveals Murder Rate Rise in the South According to the FBI's Preliminary Uniform Crime Report for 2002, the murder rate in the South increased by 2.1% while the murder rate in the Northeast decreased by almost 5%. The South accounts for 82% of all executions since 1976; the Northeast accounts for less than 1%. Read the report. (FBI Preliminary Uniform Crime Report 2002, June 16, 2003).
States Without the Death Penalty Fared Better Over Past Decade In the past ten years, the number of executions in the U.S. has increased while the murder rate has declined. Some commentators have maintained that the murder rate has dropped because of the increase in executions (see, e.g., W. Tucker, "Yes, the Death Penalty Deters," Wall St. Journal, June 21, 2002). However, during this decade the murder rate in non-death penalty states has remained consistently lower than the rate in states with the death penalty.
States Without the Death Penalty Have Better Record on Homicide Rates A new survey by the New York Times found that states without the death penalty have lower homicide rates than states with the death penalty. The Times reports that ten of the twelve states without the death penalty have homicide rates below the national average, whereas half of the states with the death penalty have homicide rates above. During the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48% - 101% higher than in states without the death penalty. "I think Michigan made a wise decision 150 years ago," said the state's governor, John Engler, a Republican, referring to the state's abolition of the death penalty in 1846. "We're pretty proud of the fact that we don't have the death penalty." (New York Times, 9/22/00)
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 18:35:47 GMT -5
I really wonder if perhaps the lack of such crimes in the old west as serial murder could be attributed to a lack of an efficient media.How many outlaws raped and killed in say nevada then moved on to carry out the exact same crimes in arizona?With no efficient media coverage,no sharing of criminal profiles,no mass national law enforcement base such as the FBI such crimes could very well go unconnected.I think the likes of a Bundy or Dahmer could very well have existed in those days,our methods were just so primitive in scope that we had no way of knowing.
Thanx for the article(s) Paleone,I have saw them before but its good to see ya back. dio
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 18:52:16 GMT -5
Most men expect sex before marriage
LOL I dunno that we expect it....but it sure beats hayrides dio
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 18:58:00 GMT -5
I dunno many mornings I have woke up beside some female that just the night before when I was drunk looked like sheer heaven on earth,only to scream "WHY Dio,Why"? LMAO dio
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Post by paleone on Nov 2, 2005 19:52:25 GMT -5
Thanx for the article(s) Paleone,I have saw them before but its good to see ya back. dio not back...just checked in today and found a thread that was quite easy to respond to without even using my own words. using data and studies already done
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Post by dio on Nov 2, 2005 19:54:16 GMT -5
Gotta love a speechless anti....LOL...I'll retract my WB at your request.... dio
I know a speechless pro is kinda loveable as well...Gee maybe thats why so many hate me....LMAO
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Post by distel on Nov 3, 2005 15:01:03 GMT -5
Hello Miss spearmint,
I have some problems in making clear what I mean. Of course there are mitigrating and aggravating factors. Of course they are considered. But the basic concept of justice is "robotic" and must be such, otherwise there would be no equality before the law. I'm not sure how to say it. This is not my mother language. Ok lets say, there would be no written law at all, and the community would meet and discuss what to do with an offender, every time again from the beginning. One day maybe there's a good athmosphere in the community, everyone feels very secure and harmonic, and they decide to give an offender no punishment at all. Some months later, another person commits the same crime and they assemble again, this time there has been much trouble and many people have bad feelings, maybe because a thunderstorm destroyed their homes lately.. so they decide some hard punishment would be the best. That's the opposite of the "robotic" concept of justice. What I wanted to say is, that it's impossible to punish only the "worst of the worst" with the death penalty. Because who belongs to the worst, must somehow be defined. How can it be defined? I only wanted to say that one must define it considering the crime and not speculation about what is going on inside the offenders brain. You can't see what's going on in that brain.. And therefore you guess what might go in in there, and that is resulting in considering mitigrating and aggravating factors. But basically, it is "robotic". So I think that sometimes you can tell who belongs to the "worst", sometimes you can't. Maybe you can think of a way to write down a law explaining how exactly to define who deserves the DP because belonging to the "worst of the worst". I can't think of one.
No, I'm not.
I hope I didn't confuse things even more
Greetings distel
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Post by dio on Nov 3, 2005 15:12:30 GMT -5
Distel, No worries mate,Miss_Sperminatress is easily confused by things like common sense.She lives in the fantasy world that courts have a crystal ball and will not execute her precious one time killer.She feels no compassion for the child who's mom was brutally raped and murdered by a thug....no she has no compassion for that child because afterall the killer was such a nice guy he only raped and killed one.Nor does she feel compassion for the man who loses an adult son to a gang banga out for a quick fix.Nah of coarse not,he only killed one guy and hey he really did need that fix,it's the States fault for not supplying the junkie with his fix afterall. You say english is not your mother tounge and yet you make perfect sense.How do we define what is worst of the worst?How do we tell the child her moms killer was not all that bad?How do we tell the dad the killer of his wife was not all that bad?Who do we ask?Do we let Spermy define for us?Perhaps one day one of her heroes will kill her.....do we let him off?Afterall he wasn't that bad he actually rid the world of a fool!Sh*t give him a medal and a nice reward....he definitely would not meet her definitions. Peace dio
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Post by dio on Nov 3, 2005 16:34:02 GMT -5
So why ya bother following me like a little dog in heat...the only fool we see is you...ask around even Joed called ya one. dio
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Nov 3, 2005 16:36:34 GMT -5
Distel, No worries mate,Miss_Sperminatress is easily confused by things like common sense.She lives in the fantasy world that courts have a crystal ball and will not execute her precious one time killer.She feels no compassion for the child who's mom was brutally raped and murdered by a thug....no she has no compassion for that child because afterall the killer was such a nice guy he only raped and killed one.Nor does she feel compassion for the man who loses an adult son to a gang banga out for a quick fix.Nah of coarse not,he only killed one guy and hey he really did need that fix,it's the States fault for not supplying the junkie with his fix afterall. You say english is not your mother tounge and yet you make perfect sense.How do we define what is worst of the worst?How do we tell the child her moms killer was not all that bad?How do we tell the dad the killer of his wife was not all that bad?Who do we ask?Do we let Spermy define for us?Perhaps one day one of her heroes will kill her.....do we let him off?Afterall he wasn't that bad he actually rid the world of a fool!Sh*t give him a medal and a nice reward....he definitely would not meet her definitions. Peace dio Dio your deceitful, anti-social mumble jumble is so far removed from the truth that it's not worth responding to. You were banned from the pro site because of your continued cruel and unwarranted remarks and attacks towards MVSs. We all say good riddance to you! well lets be honest about one thing miss .... everybody who is not into constant butt kissing and foaming plus pussy footing has good chances to get banned there ... Mo-DAWG
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Post by dio on Nov 3, 2005 16:40:54 GMT -5
Unless of coarse your a pervert that wants to execute people based solely upon sexual prefrence....then your an idol upon their mighty pedestal......Oh and by the way can you prove that ALL my little screen names are banned.....Hehehehe char is a fool and approves any innocent sounding name that can quietly post to suit the needs.Makes one wonder just how banned dio is huh? dio
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Nov 3, 2005 16:43:48 GMT -5
Unless of coarse your a pervert that wants to execute people based solely upon sexual prefrence....then your an idol upon their mighty pedestal...... dio lol ;D
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