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Post by gill on Jun 16, 2005 5:44:23 GMT -5
Ninidi, Well said! Those people who claim that women who write to DR prisoners are ugly, stupid etc. are Pros who mean only to offend Antis. They make repeated personal remarks because they have no idea how to defend the death penalty. When I ask reasonable questions concerning particular cases, and they have no idea how to answer it, they return to their usual "You Antis just want to save every murderer on the face of the planet. You are sick. You get your kicks out of being groupies to murderers." Read my thread on 'Abuse on the Pro site' to see what they said to me after I told them I was writing to Perez. I now have 3 pen pals on DR; I also live with my boyfriend and have just graduated from University. I know you only write to prisoners to offer support and friendship. I know you try to be a good person, and you're reaching out to those who need our help. Pros just can't grasp that as they're so full of bitterness and hatred, and they make personal insults which just shows how weak they are. It's like 'FreeRob' said "The Pro site reminds me of a school playground, full of bullies." It's lovely you're writing to Paul. Give him our regards. Gill. x
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 16, 2005 8:50:22 GMT -5
Of course there shouldn't be need to think about what they think... it's just that someone of them said it on here... and it just bothered... me... As you can see nobody of them answered to this post ( except that Mike ).. just another point to show how they do base their opinions... I mean... it's good to know what people really think, right? I will be happy to tell you my thoughts on it. I dont think you are a bad person for doing this, I just do not understand it. I dont understand how anyone would want to be friends with a killer. I also do not think that it is a far that they can have mail and get married or even see there family (I would not stop the family from seeing there loved one as they did nothing wrong) when there victim has NOTHING. They get NO letters, they NEVER get to see there friends or family EVER again. This is why I have issue with it, not because of a persons looks or anything like that. Do you understand what I mean? I am not sure if it put this right.
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Post by ex member on Jun 16, 2005 9:34:12 GMT -5
Of course there shouldn't be need to think about what they think... it's just that someone of them said it on here... and it just bothered... me... As you can see nobody of them answered to this post ( except that Mike ).. just another point to show how they do base their opinions... I mean... it's good to know what people really think, right? I will be happy to tell you my thoughts on it. I dont think you are a bad person for doing this, I just do not understand it. I dont understand how anyone would want to be friends with a killer. I also do not think that it is a far that they can have mail and get married or even see there family (I would not stop the family from seeing there loved one as they did nothing wrong) when there victim has NOTHING. They get NO letters, they NEVER get to see there friends or family EVER again. This is why I have issue with it, not because of a persons looks or anything like that. Do you understand what I mean? I am not sure if it put this right. Shawni, You said this perfectly, it is the same thing you have said for as long as I have known you. And, I understand how you feel because I wouldn't want anyone giving Jeremy Jones the basic comforts in life that he so viciously and heinously took from my family. I know that probably makes me such a hipocrit, how can I befriend one killer yet say this about Jones and I guess I will bare that title. It's the truth though. Jones didn't think about Amanda when he killed her, he didn't give her the opportunity to say goodbye, to write letters, to have last visits, he just stripped her of life and he stripped my family of her. I don't wish the death sentence on him but I do wish him a very long VERY tortured life in prison. The man is pure evil and doesn't deserve the oxygen we allow him to breathe or the food we allow him to eat. Besides those 2 things, give him a bible, a cement slab to sleep on and lock him in a cell for the rest of his days. That's all he deserves as far as I am concerned. For those who don't know all about Jones, here is a link to a message forum with almost every news article written so far about him posted. www.angelsmissing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=796
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Post by justice on Jun 16, 2005 16:46:16 GMT -5
Jones didn't think about Amanda when he killed her, he didn't give her the opportunity to say goodbye, to write letters, to have last visits, he just stripped her of life and he stripped my family of her. I don't wish the death sentence on him but I do wish him a very long VERY tortured life in prison. The man is pure evil and doesn't deserve the oxygen we allow him to breathe or the food we allow him to eat. Besides those 2 things, give him a bible, a cement slab to sleep on and lock him in a cell for the rest of his days. That's all he deserves as far as I am concerned
Pam,Pam,Pam,did you really think such a silly notion from you would go unnoticed?You post such wonderful ideals and yet your own actions imply these ideals are mere sham for those who don't know you.I have to ask where was your feelings towards the MVS when you was treking off to the post everyday? Do you expect me to say Pursley deserved more creature comforts than does Jones? I wonder i the Cook family would be overly impressed by your new found concern for their feelings now?It is not fair to mock 1 for their pain with your silly letters then expect pity from those who don't know ya.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Jun 16, 2005 16:56:56 GMT -5
Jones didn't think about Amanda when he killed her, he didn't give her the opportunity to say goodbye, to write letters, to have last visits, he just stripped her of life and he stripped my family of her. I don't wish the death sentence on him but I do wish him a very long VERY tortured life in prison. The man is pure evil and doesn't deserve the oxygen we allow him to breathe or the food we allow him to eat. Besides those 2 things, give him a bible, a cement slab to sleep on and lock him in a cell for the rest of his days. That's all he deserves as far as I am concerned Pam,Pam,Pam,did you really think such a silly notion from you would go unnoticed?You post such wonderful ideals and yet your own actions imply these ideals are mere sham for those who don't know you.I have to ask where was your feelings towards the MVS when you was treking off to the post everyday? Do you expect me to say Pursley deserved more creature comforts than does Jones? I wonder i the Cook family would be overly impressed by your new found concern for their feelings now?It is not fair to mock 1 for their pain with your silly letters then expect pity from those who don't know ya. getting sensitive Dio? u not too sensitve when it comes to verbally sexually harrass minors on pro-site are you.... ;D Mo-DAWG
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Post by ex member on Jun 16, 2005 18:07:50 GMT -5
Pam,Pam,Pam,did you really think such a silly notion from you would go unnoticed?You post such wonderful ideals and yet your own actions imply these ideals are mere sham for those who don't know you.I have to ask where was your feelings towards the MVS when you was treking off to the post everyday? Do you expect me to say Pursley deserved more creature comforts than does Jones? I wonder i the Cook family would be overly impressed by your new found concern for their feelings now?It is not fair to mock 1 for their pain with your silly letters then expect pity from those who don't know ya. oK... It is clear that you can copy and paste however, if you're going to do it darlin, why didn't you copy the part where I stated if my feelings make me a hipocrit then that is a title I will bear? You are the one who asked me to be honest about this particular issue soooo many months ago, right? Well, here I am being honest. So guess what, my response to you now is: G.F.Y. I mean that with the utmost love and respect. Hugs, Pam
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 17, 2005 2:44:53 GMT -5
I will be happy to tell you my thoughts on it. I dont think you are a bad person for doing this, I just do not understand it. I dont understand how anyone would want to be friends with a killer. I also do not think that it is a far that they can have mail and get married or even see there family (I would not stop the family from seeing there loved one as they did nothing wrong) when there victim has NOTHING. They get NO letters, they NEVER get to see there friends or family EVER again. This is why I have issue with it, not because of a persons looks or anything like that. Do you understand what I mean? I am not sure if it put this right. Shawni, You said this perfectly, it is the same thing you have said for as long as I have known you. And, I understand how you feel because I wouldn't want anyone giving Jeremy Jones the basic comforts in life that he so viciously and heinously took from my family. I know that probably makes me such a hipocrit, how can I befriend one killer yet say this about Jones and I guess I will bare that title. It's the truth though. Jones didn't think about Amanda when he killed her, he didn't give her the opportunity to say goodbye, to write letters, to have last visits, he just stripped her of life and he stripped my family of her. I don't wish the death sentence on him but I do wish him a very long VERY tortured life in prison. The man is pure evil and doesn't deserve the oxygen we allow him to breathe or the food we allow him to eat. Besides those 2 things, give him a bible, a cement slab to sleep on and lock him in a cell for the rest of his days. That's all he deserves as far as I am concerned. For those who don't know all about Jones, here is a link to a message forum with almost every news article written so far about him posted. www.angelsmissing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=796I can understand your feelings on it pam. Each MVS has there own feelings on there case and how to deal with them. I respect you for standing up for yourself and what you believe in and not backing down no matter how bad it got. Yes you sent letters to an inmate on DR, never told you that you was a bad, ugly or fat person because you did this. I only said I did not understand why you would do it and have said this very thing to other antis as well. I have changed a lot in the past year on my point of view. I will never change from being a pro or thinking that the DP is justice and the only true punishment for the taking of an innocent life, but I can say my views have changed some on my point of you on antis. Some good some bad, but that is part of why I am here to try to understand your side of the issue a little more.
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Post by ela on Jun 17, 2005 5:03:45 GMT -5
Lostlove: there is no a reson to be friend of amurderer.. I mean... it's not THIS. try to follow me: - I support human rights - I want to defent the RIGHT TO LIFE - The right to life is universal... (supporting human rights, i truly believe that there is not difference between one life and another one) - Who is on DR is loosing his right to live- and that is where a person who support human rights... arrives... and tries to support.
- my aim is to support human rights. And I also believe that a person is much more than his/her actions.
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 17, 2005 18:02:52 GMT -5
I understand your point of view on it, but I dont agree with it. I do not see any gray in the taking of a life, its all black or white with me. You killed a person or you didnt. No middle ground there. And yes I do feel that when that person made the choice to take an innocent life, they made the choice to give there life up as well.(they knew what the price was before they did it.)
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Post by ela on Jun 17, 2005 18:09:36 GMT -5
It was just to let you know that what I am doing doesn't come from an "insane" attraction for murderers. I have made a choice in my life, the one to support human rights, the one to go over my personal limits and try to understand ( understand doesn't mean justify) what is behind whatever a person can have done. Death penalty , to me, is THE TOP of no - respecting human rights. Of course you killed a person or you didn't... it's just that for me, the life of the "murderers" just weight exaclty like the others.... it's not what he can have done that make that life different from another one.. and exactly like all the toher people, they must pay for their actions ( everybody take responsibilities of his own actions), but they do not deserve to die. I am just trying to be coherent with what i stand for. I am not a maniac with strange perversions or something.. just to tell you this...
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Post by lostlove84 on Jun 17, 2005 18:28:53 GMT -5
It was just to let you know that what I am doing doesn't come from an "insane" attraction for murderers. I have made a choice in my life, the one to support human rights, the one to go over my personal limits and try to understand ( understand doesn't mean justify) what is behind whatever a person can have done. Death penalty , to me, is THE TOP of no - respecting human rights. Of course you killed a person or you didn't... it's just that for me, the life of the "murderers" just weight exaclty like the others.... it's not what he can have done that make that life different from another one.. and exactly like all the toher people, they must pay for their actions ( everybody take responsibilities of his own actions), but they do not deserve to die. I am just trying to be coherent with what i stand for. I am not a maniac with strange perversions or something.. just to tell you this... Ela, I dont think that of you, never did. Its everyones choice on how they feel, its how they act that I look at. If you can show me you have a mind to go with your point of view that I will hear what you have to say, but you are just CRAZY and want to say things to a MVS that is mean and hateful then I dont want to have anything to do with you or what you think. But I think you have a good mind to back your feelings. We justs do not agree on the DP or the inmates but thats ok.
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Post by ela on Jun 17, 2005 18:35:06 GMT -5
Thank you for listening even if maybe it's hard for you. I really don't want to hurt you, and I really appreciate your effort to listening other points of view.
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